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1manuscriptman
You aren't much of an historian if you don't know that Italy surrendered in 1943, not `44.
4949shooter
Rommel said the Italian soldier was a good soldier. He was just poorly lead and poorly equipped. History also forgets the Italian Ariete Division, who fought to the end bravely at the second battle of El Alamein, and whose destruction was mourned by Rommel.
Afterthought
Italy? Wasn't France mocked for surrendering faster than a German Blitzkrieg?
AlternateHistoryHub
I was literally just about to make a video on this. Welp. New topic
Andras Libal
Italy suffered from the Germans not sharing technology especially aircraft engine technology ... \nand the huge blunder of not discovering oil in Libya in the 1930s.
Angela Bender
People used to say., after the war, that Mussolini was betrayed by the generals who were hiding the army weaknesses \nMussolini jumped in the blitzkrieg war for fear of missing out\nHe was aware that it was a gamble and Russia was the beginning of the end for the Nazi -fascist..\nI knew a pilot bomber who told me he was killing Greek people while they were running for safety..\nDon't forget that Italy was invaded while fighting a civil war on her own..and that after 1943 the germans became Italy's enermy with the massacre of Cefalonia, where they, in cold blood, murdered thousands of Italian soldiers who had surrendered after the fall of fascism...\nAlso Mussolini declared slavery illegal in the African territories conquered ...\nJust reminiscing a few historical facts...
Artful Dodger
Italy was \
AusTerranX
I got a lot to thank for the \
BSM Iron (Panzer) Lawl
Despite being superior in flavour, the 69th Pizza Brigade did not hold up in structure and texture to the 2nd Bn, Royal Beef Wellington Regiment~
Badio
Why don't you talk about Folgore paratroopers Division? Or Decima MAS? Or why don't you make a research about the last cavalry charge in history (made by italians in WW2 during operation Barbarossa, and they won against a triple number of enemies). Fact is Italians in WW2 have been HEROES, cause they fought with obsolete equipments and weapons, still they obtained remarkable results, my dear armchair historian.
Bossk son of Cradossk
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Bv Onj
Nobody ever was so ineffective as french...
CL S
Better question: Why were the English and French leaders so cowardly in their dealings with Hitler on the Czechoslovakia and Polish invasions.\nNeville Chamberlain and Eduard Daladier, the English and French Prime Ministers, were so horribly incompetent and pusillanimous that they became a case study of what not to do when dealing with a tyrant. The Munich agreement was a joke. They had taken the policy of \
Captain Right
No. The best thing the Italian military had going for it was the M38 sub machine gun which arguably was one of the best in the whole of ww2, even better than the suomi. However it was obviously rare, just like everything else they tried to field.
Cavius
Why was the US and France so ineffective in Vietnam ? Or why was the UK and Russia ineffective in Afghanistan ? lets be honest, every country goes through a period of poor military leadership and training.
Chris Rot Vega
3:25 god damn you and your damn HOI 4 reference.
Christian Zaffuto
Because history is writen by the victors, thats why. You should do some proper research and not just believe in your american propoganda.
Dale Snyder
From my history research, the Italian Navy and Air Force had more modern ships and warplanes at the beginning of WWII in the Mediterranean Sea than both the French and British Navies/Air Forces combined. In a way this video don't make sense to me. Maybe their equipment wasn't up to par with the Allies, but many references say the Italians had more modern equipment at the beginning of the war than either the French or British. In the field in North Africa though the Italians were clearly pushed aside by the British by 1942. After the war started in 1939 the Allies began to produce more modern and superior equipment I guess. Maybe like the video states, their artillery wasn't as effective as the Allies.
Dario
Racist and badly researched trivia. Should be dubbed Toiletbowl historian.
Dominique Charriere
Rommel was amazed with the strength of the Italian soldiers in Afrika. They went on fighting with no ammunition, no food, or just what the Germans could give them. The huge problem of Italy was the logistic and army administration, corrupted and inefficient.
Earthworm Jim
Pretty sure its documented Mussolini wanted to wait at least 10 more years before starting a war, and HItler did not bother to advise him about invasion of Poland/France.
Giampiero Isabella
As an Italian I find this video to be pretty disrespectful. You spent 6 minutes discussing Italian ineptitude and the last 20 seconds on the real reason. Everything you stated for the previous 6 minutes can be attributed to the lack of motivation and internal discord of Italians who were not totally on board with the movement to begin with. My family, along with many others, protested and died, fighting against the facists in World War 2.....if you are going to produce a video about a country and its place in history, perhaps you should spend some time actually studying the viewpoints and perspectives of others, as opposed to reading books written by one side!
Greg Glowacki
Disappointing. Italians portrayed as peasants unable to operate machines? Inferior industry?
Herman Hedning
Good points about the economy and technology, but disappointing that you dont mention that the italians scored a number of victories (bir el gobi, stalino, raid of alexandria, charge at Izbushensky) to name a few. Also that soldiers like the Folgore at El alamein fought with great courage and refused surrender even when facing overwhelming allied forces. The fact that they had outdated equipment and at many times poor leadership does not cancell the fact that the italian soldier fought with bravery and honor. You could even argue that they performed better than they should have looking at the circumstances. \nAnd dont get me started on these stupid f*cking memes.
History House Productions
*Angry Italian nationalists inbound*
Isaac Moonton
_Germany:_ Come on guys, we are losing! \n_Italy:_ Don't worry I have a plan\n*Italy left the game*
Johannes van Deventer
Ok. The tanks they used in North Africa and Russia were out-dated, thinly armored and undergunned, compared to their Allied opponents. Italian tankers were aware of all those shortcomings---but even so, they went into battle and fought. You know, if you are sitting in a Tiger or Panther, you will probably survive armored combat, but it takes real balls to fight in a a Fiat M40----and dammit, they did. Italian cavalry were responsible for the last major mounted cavalry charge in history----which ended in an astounding victory over well-armed Soviets in 1942., mostly fought using their sabres against PPSH-armed infantry That took audacious courage, and genuine skill. Had the Germans deigned to provide Italian troops with some more modern equipment, (even tanks like the PZKWIII, or T38, which were considered out of date by the Germans by 1942/43) I have no doubt they would have had a more reliable co-combattant.
John Carbone
I could come back here every week and pick holes in this. To the author, did you actually read any real books? Even if you only read UK or Australia books on North Africa, have you read about the battles El Alamein v1 and v2? We have all been taught about v2 but not v1 where the Commonwealth forces had their arses thoroughly kicked over it. The British commander Auchinleck unfortunately lost his posting over it, he warned Churchill that the Italians would beat the British. After El Alamein 1, Auchinleck was replaced with Monty and the Brits had new US weapons and fresh US troops. The result was the one we all now of, that is the allied victory. Then look at Tobruk, the Brits lost it numerous times to the apparently weaker Italians. Even at the original taking of Tobruk, we now know of inconsistent allied stats, such as some saying that 120k of Italian prisoners were captured. We now know that the 120k were actually families such as women and children as Tobruk was a colonial town with a small artillery garrison. I could keep going but you get the idea. Wars are bad, and a lot of people lie about them. We need to remember and find out the real facts so we don’t get too proud and repeat our mistakes.
Joseph Ybarra
Actually no. They did fairly well in Africa. The Italian forces in Libya was so tough and fought so good that the British resorted to attacking the Rommel-led Afrika Corps.
Justafan IV
After Italy's long history of backstabbing, karma decided to backstab their competence.
Kevin Carter
Italian tanks had 4 gears. 1 forward, 3 reverse. Italy were also on the winning side in WW2. In the end, when they switched to the Allies once it became obvious the Axis would lose. 😂
KingIceHunter
1. They weren’t unified.\n\nIf they were a unified people they would be fine, but half of them hated Mussolini to begin with.\n\n2. They weren’t ready\nThey weren’t trained and had nothing to fight with\n\n3. Mussolini’s incompetence.
LUCA ORLANDI
The author of this video cancel the comments !!!I think it's a child !!
Louis
Need to do better research rather than simply parrot popular miconceptions. One of the usual ones, for example is that carcano rifles were of poor quailty or design. The opposite is true. They were actually superior rifles for that era of warfare and possibly the best designed bolt action rifle of WW 2. If they jam it is because others who likewise neglect due inquiry, fail to use the correct, original caliber ammunition. The armys general ineffectiveness is traced to many factors not the least of which was Mussolinis admitted unpreparedness for war when it began, not to mention the political disparities in Italy at the time.
Manny Belgrano
Memes, wrong dates,no mentions of Italian Triumph in 1942 under Rommel...typical ignorant Yankee.
Marc Colten
Frankly I'm sick of how Italy is portrayed in WW II movies. Like it was not an aggressive fascist state but like Nazi Germany\
Marceline The Dragon
Italy was just not ready for war, industry was too little for make an army ready for the 1939
Marco Morellato
Great video, some points that may be interesting:\n1) My grandfather was in the Italian Army, he served in Rhodes, the troops didn't support the fascist regime or the war as much as you may think. According to my grandfather the general opinion was \
Marianne Kav
My grandfather was 10 years old during the Italian invasion of Greece and said that when they arrested any Italian soldier on Greek territory, they were very young and vulnerable and cried a lot. Poor guys...
Mats Hagglund
The irony here is that almost all those \
Meichel Jorden
they did better than france and poland!!! they didnt surrender after a minute!!!
Memetastic
Italy: Tells Germany they're gonna invade something\n\n*5 Seconds Later*\n\nItaly: Yeah uh Germany? Remember that invasion?\n\nGermany: Yes?\n\nItaly: Hey can you send help?\n\nGermany: 😑
Merit Coba
A video that lacks the proper knowledge when it comes down to it . After telling us about the lack of leadership quality, the lack of good equipment and bad training you suddenly sneak in the bad performance of the Italian soldier while nothing leads up to it. In fact, most people were actually impressed by the bravery given the conditions they had to fight under. And after the Italians went over to the Allied side, they performed well. This latter fact you do not even mention, which makes me wonder if you have read anything about it all.
Michael N
this is more a quote reading and a commercial than anything historical
Michael V
Italy made it correct. They started the wars, saved many of their soldiers life, never became a bad image as an agressor in the hollywood movie and finally could keep former Austria land of South-Tyrol. (Whereby Austria declared themself as a victim of nazi).
Nelis1992
Alll these people talking death ratios to compare army performance, and then joking about it, makes me sick... \nIts not like playing Call of Duty or anything. We're talking about people dying here. Not some game statistics.
Orio Menoni
As a grandson of a silver medal decorated soldier during three wars (WWI, Ethiopian and WWII, he was captured in Tobruk), I can say that this video reports the truth. The Italian soldiers were sent to massacre by Mussolini. They were armed with WWI weapons and often they were not even properly clothed. 62K Italians were sent to fight Soviet Union without winter boots and clothes. Many of the survivors came back with their feet and hands frozen. That was a huge tragedy. The soldiers however were really brave. They had to make up with bravery to the shortage and inadequacy of the weapons. There is an inaccuracy in the video about the number of Italian soldiers in Africa: they did not outnumber the English 10 to 1. Not at all. On the African front, there were 54,000 Italian soldiers, alongside 49,000 German soldiers, and they were opposed by 200,000 UK soldiers. The 5000 soldiers of the Folgore brigade at El Alamein faced and fought the British tanks with only hand weapons. They fought the tanks by letting them pass over them and sticking explosives on the bottom. That is all they had. Not a single anti-tank cannon, only mortars. Out of 5000 heroic soldiers of the Folgore, only 304 survived the battle. And that is all there is to say about it. Let them rest in peace.
Paperchucker
Yeah, they were not ready for war and Mussolini was a fool to go against what his advisors suggested, however I am of the belief that Italians are very good soldiers when they are led well and equipped properly. My fathers friends who fought in the Aussie army in Vietnam in the 60's and early 70's, swore by the Italian Australians that were in the Australian army as being some of the best soldiers they ever fought with.
Patrick Hair
The Italians were not as bad as depicted. There was also some luck involved. The excellent Italian Navy was taken by surprise by their own Pearl Harbor at Taranto. Note that the aircraft dropping the torpedoes, were British Bi_Planes. After that, the Italians , in fear of more of the same, scattered their ships all over so that the Allies couldn't sink them all at once. Considering how the war went, they might as well have acted more boldly in cooperation with the Germans. Lack of industry and foresight caused them to not have an aircraft carrier which would have made the Italian Navy a fearful threat. They were also slow in developing radar. To be fair, they also were used to fighting mostly land battles and did not think strategically in the use of their Navy and Air Force which were used defensively for the most part.\n\nThe Air Force was pretty well trained and did not consist of mostly Bi-planes. Certainly not any more than the British. When the war started, the Italians had to go up against British aircraft of equal obsolescence: the Hart bi-plane, Swordfish bi-plane, Fairey ALbacore bi-plane, Gloster Gladiator bi-plane, Gloster Gauntlet bi-plane as well as some mono-planes like the Skua and Fairey Battle that were not so great. The Hurricane was a decent aircraft but was no better than the Italian Re 2000/2001/2002, Macchi 200/202, and Fiat G 50, and Caproni F4 and F6. Like the Germans, the Italians had no heavy bombers because they were not planning to \
Penguin Pie
I remember rommell was in command of some italians in north africa at some point and noted the soldiers did quite well with proper leadership. \
Phaire Couchpotato
Sorry but, Italy was useless in both world wars. The glory days of the Roman empire are long gone Italians... = (
Phil
Italy was a poor nation fighting way above it's weight class. Italy is a strategically vulnerable nation, jutting out into the Med-with many major cities vulnerable to attack.
Pierluigi Albertini
The armistice was signed on 8th September 1943, that's the capitulation date for me. Why do you say 1944?
PixelGhostClyde
I find it amusing that the Americans and the British crack jokes at how readily Italian soldiers surrendered. What makes you think they would fight gladly for the very same regime you seeked to topple, with inferior equipment, no air support, and more often than not on insufficient rations?
Potential History
Great video, and thanks for the opportunity to collab! The Italian army meme deserves more attention!
Profoundly Deaf
«The Italians supplied the bulk of the Axis troops fighting in North Africa, and too often the German Army unfairly ridiculed Italian military effectiveness either due to its own arrogance or to conceal its own mistakes and failures. In reality, a significant number of Italian units fought skilfully in North Africa, and many \
PutaPaiPer
Italian WWII survival guide:\nStep 1;\nCall the German army
Ray Green
germany was not fascist...they where SOCIALIST!!! get it right...Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei
Rita Spagnuolo
Spicy Meatballs are superior period.
SirPano85
Italy lack of leadership, about everything. 95% of its problems depend on it.
Skee Lut
Summed up they were a big power with the industry of a medium sized country
SpaghettiandSauce
I love a good Italian army joke - but I can't really blame the ordinary Italian soldier for not wanting to get killed in a war he didn't want, against an enemy he had no reason to hate, with hopelessly inadequate equipment, for the ego-mania of a clown like Mussolini.
Steve Baer
They were absolutely no good for modern day war well back then but their ancient ancestors of the Roman Empire was wonderful and great? Roman empire was much better than the fascist Italy but both are Italians. I think that World War 2 was lost in Europe campaign because of Italy when they gave up in 1943. The fascistic Japanese military were way much better than the fascistic Italy. Their tanks were absolutely no good and almost stupid but yet the Germans made some absolutely better, heavier, thicker armored, and bigger cannons for their tanks. Like the 🐅 tiger, panther, king 🐅 tiger, and few others as well.
Steve K
5:20 Carcano rifle had poor accuracy. Well, I'm not a Carcano expert but one seemed to have good accuracy on 11/22/63.
Steven Clinton
It's a shame Italy is now saw like the joke of ww2. I heard the soldiers were pretty good in terms of training and their misfortunes were the incompetents generals and a big lack of equipment and armoured vehicles. Erwin Rommel once said this: the German soldier shocked the world, the Italian soldier shocked the German soldier.
Super Tele TV
but the most ineffective country during ww2 was France!
TanCred Bey
Did they really struggle against the Greeks? Lmao
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The Mann
I think INCOMPETENT is a better word to describe Italy during WWII.
The_Nick_gHUR cheese123
the morale was high but the equipment was bad
Thefunmuffin
Italy was unintentional ahead of its time when it came to memes.
Thessaloz George
The evidence i saw in the invasion against Greece is a bit difference... At least for that time Italy had more and better equipment (from planes to artillery). And ofc many many ammo since they teared down entirely hills with their artillery to force Greek army leave some strategic positions. Their industry was better than Greek. The only true think i find to match was their bad leadership and in my opinion thats the only thing it went wrong with Italians since everything else is depending on that, meybe they still have the same problem but not in military anymore :P\n\nps now i miss Italy i have to visit again :D
Vito Bonsignore
when the video started, all seemed to be very professional. After a few minute I realized that it was a joke. Very poor analysis.
Wolfgang Der Freezer
Well to be fair the National Fascist Party was more about politics, culture, arts, buildings school (Fermi was appointed a member of the Royal Academy of Italy by Mussolini) and to increase the social system of Italy, not so much about the army. Mussolini said to Hitler he needed at least 3 years before to make Italy ready for a new world war, Hitler invaded Poland few months later.
Wuanslm
Because it was full of Italians
Yerrantgontana official
France defeat in one mounth(Operation Fall Gelb : BEGUN 10 May 1940 - FINISH 4 June 1940)\nItaly defeat in three years.....(Campain of Italy : BEGUN 10 July 1943 - FINISH 2 May 1945)\n\n\nAND ITALY WAS WORST OF FRANCE??? AHAHHAHA yeah of course😉
You think i'm funny?
this armchair ''historian'' is barely 13
Zanzao-1 Ps3
That's it, Italian soldiers were brave and skillful but it wasn't their fault if theirs high command was unable to lead and decently equip them (except the navy wich \
antgiat
nice effort.i'd like to ask though...how did you come to the conclusion that it had inferior weapons compared to its neighbors?did Yugoslavia and Greece have more modern systems?as far as i know that was not the case.compared to Germany yes,but there is an axiom 'you don't have to be the best,just better than your opponents will do' and that was the case in those days on the fronts Italy CHOSE to fight.it had numbers in the desert and its tanks were inferior just against the matildas.in the Balkans it had the superiority in quality too,plus the industrial factor, but again it still lost.so the reason is maybe somewhere else...its populace was involved in war since the Ethiopian campaign and had enough...or they didn't share the same dream as its ruler...or they had mixed feelings fighting against their former allies 20 years ago...or simply they lacked what it took to fight other European countries.but it wasn't lack of oil,industrial power or weapon systems at least not 'till late 1942!
antonio scardino
WoW... Another youtube historian... Sounds heavy! (Fun?! How a tragedy could ever be fun, pal?).
ants161984
Italy should have stayed neutral like Switzerland did in ww2 - that would have been the 1 and only best option
darpat
Italy had been fighting in a  lot of places before WWII officially started. They were fighting in Africa and along the Mediterranean. They fought in Spain with Franco and helped him win the civil war against the communist backed Republican army which was not really \
dayofhappiness
Actually Mussolini did not want to start the war till 1943 as he understood the weakness of Italy's industry .
fabio barattini
MUSSOLINI was a pig. ITALIAN SOLDIER (partigiani and not) WAS HERO
fetuso fetuso
Rommel 1st battle of El Alamein :\
goodman 4
So Italy have Ninety nine problems but a fighting spirit ain't one .
j.d. di giusto
The main factor of Fascist Italy's problems in WWII weren't the fault of Italy nor the brave Italian soldiers, they were the fault of Hitler's NAZI Germany. Why, because Hitler and Mussolini agreed not to being a major war until 1945, when Italy's industry would be prepared and stocked with modern weaponry. Hitler began the war six years too early and therefore Italy was forced to fight a modern war with antiquated weapons. In fact, many of those weapons systems were rolling off of the Italian assembly lines in 1944; even with the overwhelming strain of war on several fronts!
legionario italiano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVPrL9Uk9kg&t=480s
marc roland
Italy did far better than you seem to realize. Read \
menckencynic
Because it spent a vast fortune on the Spanish Civil War and didn't stockpile fuel at all, that's why.
pikapiciu
The statement quoted in minute \
sumbarine
How come nobody mentions 200,000 british surrendering to 25,000 japanese in Singapore in 1942 without a fight ? or the fact the british got booted out of europe 3x at norway,dunkirk and crete ? Dunkirk wow,what military brilliance surrounded and defeated with not much of a fight. HOW about the 300,000 germans who surrendered to the soviets at operation Bragation ? in 44. Or german brilliance losing a whole army at stalingrad with no strategic value for them ? or german brilliance declaring war on the usa in dec 41,The USA with all its endless reserves even though the USA did not intend to go to war with GERMANY. tHE soviets destroid over 85 percent of the german army.It was stalins blunder to ignore reports of a german invasion.when the soviets got it together,their weaponry and tactics drove the germans right back to berlin and wiped out 200 tears of prussian miliarism
thevoid98052
the carcano is an excellent firearm when using the proper ammunition the problem was logistically they supplied the wrong ammo (WWI) ammo for the new smaller bolt action resulting it poor accuracy forgotten weapons did video on it its pretty neat :)
姓名
I respect a country that has great history, culture and gentlemanly attitudes to ladies rather than that has only strong military.